Westchester,ny

Clifton VA near Washington DC

Thank you for the texts : )

Marie from Akron OH

Patricia from Victorville, California

Homewood, IL

bonnie from Montclair New Jersey!

Kristen from Chicago

Erika from Baltimore, MD

Thanks for making more room! I’m here from Michigan!

Michelle from Ft. Washington, MD

DeeDee from Alexandria

Cherise from Walnut Creek, CA

Fine

HI JOY!!!!

Hi Joy!

Caitlin from New Jersey

Cool! Yay! Joy!

Hi Joy

This is the Zoom room link: https://momsrising.zoom.us/j/2671917826

Jo Ann from Chicago

hi! this is thyme bham, al

bottom left for the mute if you’re on a laptop.

anybody else have a periodic chime sounding? Or ideas about how to turn it off?

Sorry, Ann. That’s the sound for when people are joining.

is there any way the facilitators can mute the sound effects for people adding or chatting?

yes same

I have the chime

the chime sound is a new person entering

It just means someone new is entering

hey Joy it worked. thanks for the new link.

Hi folks! This is our KeepMarching email: keepmarching@momsrising.org

Hi, this is Elizabeth in Pittsboro, NC

So glad to see folks on here!!!! Get excited for an awesome conversation!!!!!!

There must be a way to stop the chime.

Is there any way to stop the "sign on" chime?

(It may be too late to do once the mtg. started.)

turn you sound donw

How about we just ignore it?

Go back to the meeting ID and turn it off....that is where it is

It's all good; we will deal with it!

Can you please speak closer to the mic? We’re hard of hearing and struggling to hear.

Play sound when participants join or leavePlay sound when participants join or leaveThe play sound setting for people entering is under Settings/in meetings (basic)

I wish I had my kids around me! I am an extrovert here as well!

i can

we can hear you

I hear you fine.

I hear you all fine.

Yes, we can hear perfectly!

You are coming through!

I can hear.

I can hear you

I can hear very well

here you fine in Brooklyn!

I can

Isn't the individualism embedded in whiteness have something to do with the lack of solidarity behind this pandemic?

I think most people aren’t seeing this with their own eyes. Medical folks are but most people are not seeing anything but empty streets and stores.

Bonnie - yes!

Isn’t seeing empty streets and stores kind of seeing it with their own eyes?

Let's call it "physical distancing" - we need social closeness, just not physically.

Unfortunately since we're just hearing about the numbers of death, but not so much of personal stories - I'm thinking personal stories might help?

the Atlantic had a great piece showing that rurL

Please mute all but the speaker. :)

Unfortunately it takes people we know, people in our own communities getting sick and dying to really impress on people, and by that time it's very late. Same thing happened with HIV.

if i leave it is bcs my phone is too hot:(( bcs also charging rn. hope not

sorry— that rural red America hasn’t been hit yet

Here in Florida, we are very far removed from anything urban. People down here don't see firsthand the empty streets and droves of afflicted people. To a number of people here, it's practically happening on another planet.

Thyme hope its ok

I’ve been self isolating for the fourth week so to me it is very real.

I'd like Dr Metzel to consider commenting on any of these articles: (1) Rural areas may be the most vulnerable during the coronavirus outbreak By Laris Karklis, Dan Keating, https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/03/19/rural-areas-may-be-most-vulnerable-during-coronavirus-outbreak and (2) Here's why the coronavirus may be killing more men than women. The US should take note By Katie Polglase, Gianluca Mezzofiore and Max Foster, CNN https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/24/health/coronavirus-gender-mortality-intl/index.html These two articles would seem to fit well with his book "Dying of Whiteness."I'd like Dr Metzel to consider commenting on any of these articles: (1) Rural areas may be the most vulnerable during the coronavirus outbreak By Laris Karklis, Dan Keating, https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/03/19/rural-areas-may-be-most-vulnerable-during-coronavirus-outbreak

New York and Las Vegas looks eerie!

I really like what Marci said that it needs to be called “physical distancing” not social distancing

the cities which are more democratic are hit hardest now. the rural areas will be next but they haven’t gotten the worst of it yet.

Let’s hope some areas might escape the worst of it. Have family in rural areas who worry re us here in the city.

I was just reading an article about the post office could be shut down in less than 3 months due to outbreak

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Yes

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Hi everyone! This is the link to share your story: https://action.momsrising.org/survey/CoronavirusStories/?source=action

Yes : )

Yes

yes! Beatriz! so nice to see you - fran miller

yes

yes

Hey Beatriz!!

American Nations by Colin Woodard is a great companion to Dying of Whiteness

Yes.

The Wake County (North Carolina) Sheriff’s Office will suspend pistol and concealed-carry permit applications until April 30 as demand surges amid the coronavirus outbreak, Sheriff Gerald Baker announced Tuesday. Any observations about the drastic increase in gun and ammunition sales.

There is a pronounced difference between COVID in TN and KY — have you been looking at that?

AMAZING question! @Beatriz

What year was he elected?

I had a legit visceral reaction to the mention of Brownback.

Nancy is from Kansas

Thank you< Nancy, for voting in Kansas!

feel u nancy i'm in AL

Not for Brownback!

The power to promulgate a harsh, mean, elite-serving narrative that people subscribe to (against their own best interests) really saddens me and makes me feel hopeless.

The power of corporate/right-wing media, I mean.

we hear similar narratives even here in CA - wealthier white parents worry their money might go to “those kids” in a lower income area. many as a result are voting no on state or local taxes for schools, meanwhile raising hundreds of thousands per year for their own kids public school

All this reminds me of Thomas Frank's book "What's the Matter With Kansas?"

“Fake populism” - good term.

Never lose hope! People care about justice and will rise up to live the lives they were created to live

That was a great book!

Sounds like what is happening with charter schools

now CA education statewide is making major cuts, far more than any PTA can replace

Does Charles Koch live in Kansas?

When will the term "minority" go away when statistically, we are becoming the majority?

when we have real and tangible power

It feels like such a pipe dream : (

Koch, another name that gets a rise out of me

We are the Global Majority

BIPOC that is

The term minority is suggestive to the minority in power not in number.

Tell me about it....I cringe

Me too Nancy!! One of the Koch Brothers died!

Why do they still support the same ideas now?

David Koch died.

Lucky Lynch from CA here. In Kansas how did neighbors talk with one another about what was happening. Did their opinions about the "others" keep people following the myth?

Hillbilly Elegy also reflected on some of these shoot in the foot ideas.

Can we inoculate mainstream white people against these vicious white victimhood narratives? white fragility, victimhood, greed and selfishness -- human characteristics we must address -- American exceptionalism and entitlement too!

@Ann Freedman - right on!

Democracy in Chains touches on the issue of education.

Support Public Education

Another great book!

Reid Hastings of Netflix thinks all teachers should be replaced by computers.

Not minorities or put that in quotes if you're quoting your sourcres.

We in Special Education are especially worried about virtual teaching our most vulnerable students when it’s the relationship is what matters…

Minoritized rather than minority

Love that!!

"Minoritized"

“Keep people in line” - that’s exactly what elites use inter-race division to do. Began in the mid-1600s.

Agreed^

Thank you Dr. <etzl!

Ann - check out the podcast “Brave New Words” by Anat Shenker-Osorio and listen to the episode called “Greater Than Fear - Minnesota”

Hi folks! This is our KeepMarching email: keepmarching@momsrising.org. Email your questions!

Yes, I like that, "minoritized"

Charles Koch is from Wichita

Thanks. Thought so.

Gun sales are up!!!

Asian are buying more guns bec of you know who.

Is gun business an essential business?

Nothing is GREAT about anyone losing their job. Let’s be careful that we don’t loose our humanity

In White Fragility, Robin DiAngelo claims that the racism of white progressives is the most significant barrier to ending racism. I’m also seeing this line of thinking in some Bernie supporters who blame “scared white progressives” for Bernie’s loss. I’m wondering what the author of Dying of Whiteness thinks of this analysis, based on his ethnographic research among white people who are decidedly not progressive in their political thinking.

Good question iPad!

Guns in the home also makes it much more dangerous for women in domestic violence situations.

Yeah not to mention the issue of more guns + sheltering at home + concerns about increase in domestic violence

(good minds think alike, iPad)

Domestic violence is probably even more frequent.

Its very concerning now that people can stock up on guns, but the DOL doesn’t really even have the capacity now to issue licensing ( this also goes for drivers licenses) with shelter in place

burt, thank you for mentioning DV, I worry about this for my students stuck at home in unstable environments too

Maybe they just are looking for another excuse to buy another gun.

I’ve seen postings saying that it is and that victims are even more in danger.

Stocking up on guns, but hospitals can’t get masks and ventilators

Domestic violence rises exponentially with unemployment.

My guess is that this pandemic is probably increasing dv and child abuse not to mention other types of violence against "other"

yes - this is a good question, iPad - In White Fragility, Robin DiAngelo claims that the racism of white progressives is the most significant barrier to ending racism. I’m also seeing this line of thinking in some Bernie supporters who blame “scared white progressives” for Bernie’s loss. I’m wondering what the author of Dying of Whiteness thinks of this analysis, based on his ethnographic research among white people who are decidedly not progressive in their political thinking.

What are the best organizations working on gun violence issues, in the view of the author?

UGH...horrible thought.

it’s why Dems need to take back the Senate!

gun laws and anti-abortion laws.

Response to Cheryl: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/24/us/coronavirus-lockdown-domestic-violence.html

Yes, Cheryl—child abuse is increasing as well as dangerous situations for women vulnerable to domestic violence. There have already been news reports documenting this.

iPad: On DV and COVID please check out what the National Network to End Domestic Violence is doing, and consider signing up for their email alerts.

Lucky Lynch, such an important insight for all of us to watch who we elect as judges.

Let’s figure out an efficient way to impeach right-wing judges!

But the only way to stop the judicial appointments is to get rid of Trump and the GOP senate.

Thanks for the links.

thanks to Burt Cone.

Senate and POTUS are selecting judges- vote them out.

Self defense including domestic violence.

For men

A lot of them are not qualified either

MomsRising Gun Safety Campaing! https://www.momsrising.org/campaigns/gun-safety

Exactly Greg! Especially the judges that McConnell is filling the courts with!! Many who ae unqualified!!

Moat are not!

Most that is

None in rural Michigan either!

All roads lead back to the problem of money in politics.

A strategy that undergirds the fight for gun safety, stacking the judiciary, healthcare is the support of a constitutional amendment to limit political spending by corporations, special interests and the wealthy. This movement has momentum with the 1st House subcommittee hearing just in Feb 2020 a little past the 10 year anniversary of the Citizens United Supreme Court decision! HJ Res 2 and SJ Res 51 are the current amendment resolutions

True Felicia

Keeping us all polarized serves the wealthy elites so well.

there is a feeling about the fact that if people in power (whites, police, government) have guns then the people who feel most vulnerable (Black people, BIPOC) want to aquire their own protection and want to get guns at times like these

To understand racism in general and transforming the mindset, I feel it’s important to understand the cultural and historical aspects that act as a bridge between the “majority” and “minorities”. Why is it that these supremecists are majority white?? What is it that created this gap between people solely because of race? Just a thought I have always had.

Thank you very much to MomsRising and the conversation!

iPad: Also @lynnspeaksout on Twitter, Lynn Rosenthal, first Obama WH Advisor on Violence Against Women is awesome. And p.s. my groups social is Instagram @sschoice we're pretty good at engaging the young'uns in these issues. :)

don’t ignore the over 100,000 gunshot injuries.

Can you give examples

thank you for bringing that up

This is true about black shooting victims.

PLUS: post-COVID, after social distancing rules are lifted, there will be many more guns on the streets (particularly in the hands of people who have never owned them before). We should be vigilant about an increase in gun deaths / mass shootings after the pandemic dies down

Maybe we can get more survivors from the groups like the one in the book can speak to others about the aftermath of the death by gun suicide

Amen.

i'm also super curious about the messaging about gun violence being problem primary of "the ghetto," not white suicide by gun. that narrative also serves to further pathologize BIPOC and reinforces the notion that white folx need to "stock up."

what is BIPOC?

black, indigenous, people of color

Got it! thanks

u bet!

That the Brooklyn community Center did not get a lot of press

It sickens me that that gun ownership matters more than keeping children safe in schools.

the shooting at the cl;ebration

Push of ideology of separateness.

dr metzls book only reinforced for me that EVERYTHING leads back to the USAs very particular anti-black/anti-indigenous racism

The failure of Congress to pass legislation that 80% of people support is the amount of money spent to influence the lawmakers voting!

Have to overcome so much voter suppression.

You outline that issue so well in the book, the disconnect between real life and hearsay myths.

yes, electoral work matters and is necessary

Have activists made a concerted effort to present gun violence to politicians, policymakers, and the general public as the public-health crisis it is?

The founding slave holders used race to divide whites and blacks for economic reasons- they exploited slaves to increase their wealth & this pattern continues to today.

Everytown also supported candidates like Sen. Pat Toomey who is NOT pro gun violence prevention.

Social media is also a driver of opinions and beliefs

agree 100% Rosemary

Is there any truth in saying that there is so much latent guilt that white men are afraid for their lives??

80% of American people support a constitutional amendment to get money out of politics, across the political spectrum

Thanks for lifting that up Ali, Everytown is definitely complicated org

totally, ali

Agreed!

This is totally true on every issue; finding the common ground is a key.

Listening deeply to find common ground. Yes.

On both the Kansas/ed and gun issues, I’m struck by what seems to be a chicken and egg conundrum. Is the cause/problem that needs to be addressed the xenophobic, divisive messaging (right wing media, social media and the conspiracy theory, racist corners of the internet) that plays on the target group’s fears? Or is the challenge/problem the ignorance, fears, resentments of the target audience? They seem so reinforcing of each other. I’m not very hopeful about what the solutions might be.

We need to have conversations with who we perceive of as other

Finding out WHY they think as they do.

Wrt talking to people who disagree with us, do you think the Deep Canvassing movement holds promise?

YES! Address polarization - that’s vital.

but even those folks with guns who agree don’t vote on GV

Better Angels is a group that tries to connect people from different beliefs

It would essentially be trying to change a culture

Hi folks! This is our KeepMarching email: keepmarching@momsrising.org

Be the Bridge is another organization that works on racial conciliation.

i admit that im unsure about the notion of finding common ground... like, i get it, but it just seems like a red herring

Connect first, then change is more possible without trying to convince someone they should change

Missouri is likely to vote on Medicaid expansion this fall, a ballot initiative that we gathered 160,00 signatures for

i agree Cheryl

We have plans on future meetings to address specifically the cultural and racial components of gun violence, and the historical roots. So stay tuned!

Not so much as changing a culture as understanding it and where we can find, if not common ground, but common concerns? Or at least understand why folks fear what they do?

I appreciate engaging folks who have different views

Go Missouri!! My old stomping ground

thank you for this. I’m disappointed I have to sign off early.

But yay that you ere here Heather!

Dr. David Campt has a program to develop White Allies. Working to create compassionate dialogue with people who have different views and positions. You can find himon Facebook. A good process guy.

s/o to everyone in republican-controlled states. i see you, i love you.

And the rural hospitals that went out of business.

MO folx: be sure to check out sarah kendzior's work. you have a JEWEL in her/her work

Love Sarah Kendzior’s work!

@lucky lynch, thank you, will be looking him up

We’re gathering your health care stories here: https://action.momsrising.org/survey/healthcare-stories_2019/

White men have been in control for too long, making causes all over this planet destroying, and annihilating everything that is not in their interest. Cause and effect is strict and impartial. What we see is the dismantling of white male superiority over the whole globe. We all (individually and collectively) are given an opportunity to right our wrongs.

@kimberly Thomas, thank you, FL has been a vexing experience

Feeling of scarcity.

email justussocializing@gmail.com for an invite to discuss more of this....

*racial resentment*

^

scarcity

even when they might die themselves? wow

https://newrepublic.com/article/154404/myth-welfare-queen

Depressing. People still buy the “welfare queen” lie!

The biggest public charge block is the ultra-wealthy - but they don't see it they way because, "the earned it"

Framing is very important to reach those who don’t agree

a book 'The Righteous Mind' talks about how to look at an issue from someone else's values

Yes, when we bring up the topic of white privilege it is heard as economic privilege. Need to reframe the topics.

definitely need to speak in “their” language

George Lakoff has great work on the difference of the conservative vs progressive mindset too

snap snap!!!

so many poor white people feel unprivileged, hearing ‘white privilege’ turns them off completely

I totally agree Sally, understanding and finding common ground is important to see both sides. But cultures based on racism need a shift on perspective if we would like to see change implemented.

and defining as socialism

Kentucky Connect was name to avoid the Obamacare connotatoin

sorry, I have to leave now. let me know when dr. metzl will return. thanks so much. great stuff!

it was called the affordable care act, not Obamacare

Change= opportunity

exactly affordable

Just being white gives privilege, poor or not, which too many white people don’t want to hear.

Actually, everyone forgets the “patient protection” part of the bill’s name, PP-ACA, probably because there is so little actual patient protection

and for many people “affordable” is a lie

Conservatives are excellent at using framing/messaging that has been funded for years by libertarian Koch funded think tanks like Heritage FUnd

free of political jargon will take work

This is great.

fascinating conflict between framing to reach people where they are and in the alternative the need to combat/deal with the racial resentment narratives --seems the advice is to simply go around the racial resentment hot buttons

Many racists do not think they are.

Rebecca, I understand, but if you are out of work, no medical access, hunger insecure, you don’t see any privilege

True.

Yep fear of scarcity.

Thanks for the suggestion on messaging!

whoever mentioned George lakoff… YES

This - all the right-wing behavior you’re highlighting - fits into the neoliberal total domination project.

And the money bec. of Citizens United.

We need to be clear about what we are talking about. Racism as a system and structure is based on putting our bigotry and prejudices into our organizations, communities and governing bodies.

I told my white son who is working for $10 an hour tht he was born privileged.

can someone post title of book guest refers to please?

Dying of Whitenss

thanks.

My mantra every morning: I have enough, I am enough, I do enough, I am love, I love everyone.

Good read

thank you just arrived

Yes - the m.o. of the 45th is to keep us all hyped up and the press keeps amplifying it

You can fool some of the people some of the time but not all people all the time.

I may steal that from you LFitzpatrick!

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Thanks so much to the organizers and all of the commentators. It is a comfort to be with you.

an interrogation of capitalism is ESSENTIAL

Will there be an audiobook version?

@Kimberly Thomas - YES!

Yes, thank you all for the info and convo.

this is so so so so great. thank you, momsrising!

A book club meeting sounds fantastic!

Great idea. I'd love to read the book and then be part of the book club!

Great discussion tonight! Thanks!

Thank you all

Yes Kimberley Thomas- capitalism is a pandemic.

Thank you for a great Webinar. We need to counter the anti Asian rhetoric that has blossomed at this point thanks to Trump

I was glad to see one of the news programs NOT broadcasting a Trump speech, but relaying whatever worthwhile he said ()not much)

+that is a great idea! book club yes!'

Yes, thank you so much for this presentation and conversation. So essential at this time.

yay to book club

@rosemary - GO OFF! YES!!!

Thanks for your good work!

Fantastic. This book changed my brain this year. Thanks Jonathan! Thanks all!

looking forward to reading the book. thank you, Dr. Metzl and Mom's Rising.

Thank you so much for this webinar!

thank you for this! and for all you do!!

Thank you. This is great information!

Thanks, Gloria, Joy, Beatriz, and. Felicia!!! And wow, thanks, Dr. Metzl!!

Thank you so much. This was so informative and worth while to hear.

Thank you for doing this conference!

thank you!

Fantastic session!!!

You’re all welcome! It’s been great being here with you all!

as someone said, physically isolating not socially isolating

Thanks to all!!

and who does not even have a home to go to?

Thank you very much for this session tonight. I appreciate the excellent facilitation and organization of the questions to Dr. Metzel.

for other racial equity/antiracist educators on here, dr metzl's book has been crucial to my practice

I can’t wait for us to this again!!!!!!!!!

thanks so much!

Thank you

Bernie is the opposite of 45- talks solely re need for Medicare for All!

Threat: Fight, Flight, Freeze…Focus on action!

very grateful of the input we work with Race amity in westchester and are connected in this approach

Thank you all! We will be back : )

Thank you for an excellent webinar!

Thank you!!!

Yes! I’ll see you all in 2 weeks!

thank you, all!

THanks!

Thanks for an informative call…terrific questions and thoughtful answers.

Thanks!!

I know that you post a link to an independent bookstore. Here's another one:https://www.northshire.com/book/9781541644984

Bernie has been saying important things during covid-19; Biden disappeard

Agreed that the silver lining is possible alliance from the severe disruption of all of our safety nets

thamku

thank you so much for doing this great webinar!

thank you!!!!!

Thanks

Once againThis is our KeepMarching email: keepmarching@momsrising.orgTell us how Coronavirus has affected you: https://action.momsrising.org/survey/CoronavirusStories/?source=action

Thankyou!!!

thank you

Thank you!

thank you!

thanks

thanks!!!

Thank you. Very, very worthwhile.